Re: [ATM] Suggestions on a router?

[Kevin Whitefire <chaosopher23@yahoo.com>]

Having just poked my nose into this thread, I can say
that if you're going to get a router, get one that has
a good reputation in its name.  You might end up using
it a little more than on just a telescope.

You might only be making one telescope, but I must
warn you that they are addictive and almost always a
work in progress.  I couldn't stop at one.

Kevin of Eastern Iowa
Seeker of the Darkness

--- Tom and Beth <milliesand@cox.net> wrote:

>  If you're only going to make one telescope, it's
> actually cheaper in the 
> short run to just pay someone to make the dozen or
> so cuts you need. Many of 
> us started out to just make one scope, and as
> someone else said (might have 
> been George), there's no such thing as a completed
> scope-you'll be back 
> tinkering in the future.
> 
> After a "few" years and way too many times buying
> the same tool over and 
> over because I bought a "cheap" tool (not necessary
> inexpensive) ,I've come 
> to appreciate a well made tool. Balance,
> repeatability, dependability and 
> all that.
> 
> And it's that trait that has brought each of us here
> making our own 
> telescopes. We're tired of touching plastic, and
> simple items that fall 
> apart when we look at them ,and optics that NEVER
> snap into view.
> 
> Oh yeah, the question...I bought the Porter Cable
> after asking the same 
> question here a few years ago. Carbide bits only
> ,half inch shank, ear 
> protection. Somehow I still have eight fingers and
> both my thumbs, as well 
> as a couple of telescopes. Oh yeah, and everyone of
> those telescopes 
> needs...
> 
> Tom
> Tucson, AZ
> 
> > Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:43:22 -0400
> > From: George Anderson <tillerman1@videotron.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [ATM] Suggestions on a router?
> > To: Vladimir Galogaza
> <vladimir.galogaza@zg.htnet.hr>
> > Cc: ATM List <atm@atmlist.net>
> > Message-ID: <431A6D5A.FA9C7761@videotron.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > This holds true in many cases, but with routers
> (and other power and
> > hand tools) there are pitfalls to the cheaper ones
> on the market.
> > 1) A poorly made collet or chuck will not hold the
> bit properly and
> > therefore allow it to slide up or down during use.
> The Craftsman 600
> > router is a prime example of this, in woodworking
> circles it is referred
> > to as "random depth setting".
> > 2) The collet may not be perfectly centered on the
> shaft, this will
> > introduce vibration and an uneven cut. Combined
> wih the above it makes
> > for a very dangerous combination. Ever seen five
> ounces of steel and
> > carbide spinning at 22000RPM (not unusual for a
> router) suddenly come
> > free and choose its own path of destruction?
> > 3) The collet may not be perpendicular to the
> base, again resulting in a
> > poor cut.
> > 4) the router may not have a softstart feature,
> this results in a sudden
> > torquing of the router body when it is switched
> on.
> > 5) Insufficient power, motor HP in tools is a
> hotly debated subject and
> > the current HP ratings are questionable as (IIRC)
> they are based on the
> > HP developed just before stall. Not the running
> HP. With a router you
> > want nice steady HP, always on tap, no speed
> variations as you cut
> > through different parts of the wood.
> > I could go on and on about the pitfalls of cheap
> tools, I own several
> > and they serve as reminders and dust collectors.
> As for the Taiwan and
> > Chinese tools they are improving in quality every
> day, but for the most
> > part they require some "cleaning up" by the owner
> before they can match
> > the quality of a brand name tool.
> > One does not need to be a professional woodworker
> to appreciate the
> > value of a good router, much as one does not need
> to be a profesional
> > astronomer or optician to appreciate a the quality
> of a good mirror.
> > Quality and expensive do not always go hand in
> hand, but cheap rarely
> > comes with quality.
> > Quality tools cannot make a bad craftsman rise
> above his own skills, but
> > poor quality tools will lower a good craftsman
> down to the level of the
> > tool.
> > The PC390 router is not an industrial grade
> router, it is a good quality
> > router at a reasonable price.
> > You buy fine annealed glass and well selected
> grits and polishing
> > compounds when you grind a mirror in order to
> achieve quality. Why not
> > put the same effort and quality into the rest of
> the scope?
> >
> > George Anderson
> > Montreal Canada
> >
> > Clear skies and good health
> >
> >
> > Vladimir Galogaza wrote:
> >>
> >> Some general thinking about  "recommended
> router".
> >>
> >> Thinking that high or best quality router (or
> anything else) will
> >> warrant a same quality product is wishful
> thinking.
> >> The same is with legend that cheep tools will
> warrant bad products.
> >>
> >> The high quality of some tools matters mostly in
> their prolonged, heavy 
> >> use
> >> by professionals. Situation very uncommon with
> most amateurs.
> >> Therefore "my favorite router" kind of advice can
> be serious taken only
> >> from persons realy having opportunity to
> intensively check many of them.
> >> We can then expect that such a person is very
> experienced or 
> >> proffesional.
> >>
> >> The best possible tool in inexperienced hands
> will not reveal
> >> its quality and vice versa, experienced craftsman
> will do with
> >> any tools that are SUFFICIENTLY good for a task
> at hand.
> >>
> >> Today there are many tools designed  and produced
> for use by
> >> do-it-yourself public, and their price is
> incredibly low.
> >> Some of those tools come directly from China or
> thereabout
> >> and some are repacked to disguise their origin
> and sold with
> >> somewhat or substantially higher price than their
> honestly declared
> >> twins.
> >>
> >> Do to the incredibly low price of such tools it
> is not unwise to
> >> buy them in order to check their usefulness in
> our hands,
> >> for our specific needs, to check our dexterity
> with such tools
> >> and  to do some experience gaining job without
> taking too much
> >> care if we shall inflict some damage to the tools
> on learning curve.
> >>
> >> Than, and only than can we perceive what matters
> and what does not,
> >> what we need in addition and only then can we
> fully understand,
> >> accept or refuse advices from others and
> recognize advertising & 
> >> marketing
> >> hot air.
> >>
> >> What I said about tools, I think mostly does not
> apply to accessories,
> >> like router bits and similar stuff. We benefit
> from their good quality
> >> almost immediately and  their bad quality can
> really spoil the product.
> >>
> >> (My 2 Lipa to this thread).
> >> Vladimir.
> >>
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