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Re: ATM Re: string spiders



Bill,
 
I've made a series of wire spiders over the years using 4 vanes/8 wires and they have all been very strong and stable.  No breakages either.  I plan to put a series of pix and plans up on my web site soon.  In the meantime the basics are:
 
The scope is a 10" f/5 newtonian flying scope - I took it to table mountain this past summer for those who were there.
I use a central hub to which the wires are attached.  This hub is basically a rectangle of Delrin black plastic which allows me to isolate one side electrically from the other.  The wires are attached to the edges by wrapping around small bolts.  It is important to attach the wires off axis as this creates a very strong stable arrangement.  See Mel's modified spider on his 20" for an idea of what I'm talking about.  I start the .014" music wire by wrapping around the bolt, out to the threaded fork (a clevis from a model airplane) back to the bottom of the hub, back out to another clevis and back to the bolt which is then tightened around the wire ends.  Repeat this on the other side of the hub and you have 4 vanes on the hub.  The diagonal holder is attached to this with a standard 4 point collimation system.  I'll try an ASCII picture below.  Hope this helps.  I hihly recommend this design.  It's very stable and low profile.  The spikes are very thin and long.  Collimation  of the hub is deceptively simple.  I'll let you know when I get the page up on my site.
 
The hub as seen looking down the optical axis.
                                       
                                       /  To clevis
                        bolt        /
_______________[_]_\   /
__1/4" Delrin sheet__ ]  X  The wires cross optically here and must line up with
                          [  ]  /   \   the other returning wires below the top wires (see below)
                                      \
                                        \  To clevis
 
___________________
                           0    |--------  ASCII wire (not a great way to draw them!)
                    bolt       |        --------------
                                |                          O---------  clevis and tensioning bolt
                                |        --------------
__________________|--------
 
Hope this makes sense.
 
Ed Stevens
http://www.flyingscopes.com
 
----- Original Messae -----
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:12 PM
Subject: ATM Re: string spiders

Hi Friends,
 
I was giving thought, and concern, to string spiders not providing very good axial support,
no matter how tight the strings. With 3, the optimum and minimum, the secondary can still
vibrate along the optical axis. Or have I misunderstood something about how they might
be used?
 
If this is a problem, it occurred to me that the shadow cone from the center of the secondary,
to the center of the primary, might offer a pathway for installing one more vertical string that
would act as a guy at right angles to the secondary assembly. and with very little tension
eliminate all vibration. Being in the shadow of the secondary it coudn't add any more diffraction
error.
 
Thinking about stuff like this makes my head ache, so after superficial consideration, please delete
without spamming me.
 
Regards to all,
 
Bill Kelley