I just had to read this post right away, thought it would be about more low-life ATM judges instead of crud on a mirror... :) Andy Saulietis / DTG Alt-Az-Fp Drive Systems HDPE Worm Gears, Custom designs & Machine work 12617 Harriet Ln Santa Fe, TX 77510 USA 409-925-8854 Voice/Fax e-mail: andydtg@phoenix.net