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[ATM] How many zones
- Subject: [ATM] How many zones
- From: mdholm at telerama.com (Mark Holm)
- Date: Thu Feb 19 11:41:02 2004
Either my program CouderMask
http://www.atmsite.org/contrib/Holm/coudermask/couderma.html
or Nils Olof Carlin's web calculator
http://www.atmsite.org/contrib/Holm/coudermask/couderma.html
will give you an optimum number according to Nils' rather careful
analysis. My program will also print the mask pattern.
To save you the trouble, I have run it, and it says 4.3. So, either 4
or 5 would be good. When doing my 8 inch f5.8, I thought that perhaps
with only 4 zones, the individual zones were a little wide. I thought
there was perhaps a bit too much asymmetry between the zone appearance
(according to Nils, this is due to a third order term in the math.)
Making the zones a little narrower would make this effect less
pronounced. As the curve gets steeper (lower f-number) the asymmetry in
the zone appearance should increase, favoring narrower zones. That is
what Nils' equations show.
Also, If you are of the sort to believe quantitative measurement rather
than trying to go more by appearance, you may want to try increasing the
number of zones as you get close to a good figure. The way to do this
is to make a second mask with zones located between those of your
primary mask. Such a mask is called an "Intermediate" mask in my
program, and the program will be happy to calculate and print it for you.
The way you use a second mask is: Make a set of Foucault readings using
your "normal" or main mask, then, without bumping either your tester, or
mirror, get up and change masks to the "intermediate" one. Then make a
second set of readings, again without disturbing the location of the
tester, so that the new readings can be referenced to the same starting
point as those for the main mask. It sounds tricky, but isn't really..
Yes it takes twice as long, but you get twice as many data points across
the mirror. That helps a lot in firming up the picture and helping you
decide whether some zonal irregularity that you may see is really worth
worrying about. It is also good to make more than one set of
measurements. The power of averaging to reduce the risk of "outliers"
in the data is even more than it's power to reduce the standard deviation.
I use Sixtests, by Jim Burrows as my Foucault data reduction program and
strongly recommend it. Others prefer other programs. They all work,
but in my opinion, Sixtests has the best math behind it, and does the
best job of presenting a useful and easily interpreted picture of what
the data is telling you about your mirror. Sixtests is at
http://home.earthlink.net/~burrjaw/atm/atm_math.lwp/atm_math.htm
If you do as I (and others) suggest, and take multiple sets of Foucault
readings between polishing sessions as you get close to a good
paraboloid, you may find my program FrontSix useful. FrontSix is at
http://www.atmsite.org/contrib/Holm/frontsix/frontsix.html
(I start taking at least two sets per figuring session as I cross the
Strehl = 0.8 border and at least four sets per session when Strehl is
over 0.9.)
FrontSix does the arithmetic to prepare multiple set Foucault data for
Sixtests. On its own, Sixtests only accepts data for one set of
readings, or the average of several sets. FrontSix does the averaging
and a few other things, and lets you review your data better than a
simple calculator would.
There are those atm's who think I rely too much on multiple zone
Foucault testing. They prefer to test in only a few zones, and use the
appearance of the shadows, or Ronchi bands to tell them the curve is
good otherwise. I certainly don't want to suggest that one should
ignore qualitative interpretation. It is the best way to see narrow
zones, turned edges, "dog biscuit" and the like. But I think when
trying to decide if a curve is really a paraboloid, there is nothing
like numbers. It is a quantitative question, and quantitative questions
are not answered without data.
Mark Holm
mdholm@telerama.com