Re: [ATM] ATM You Tube Group

["Bill Kelley" <flex@commspeed.net>]

Francis,

I thank you in turn for your reasoned rebuttal. Domenic is trying gently  to
persuade you that the rules of evidence that produce rulings in court  are 
not
the physical sciences that drive telescope making. The publications that we
mostly use are well buttressed by citation. The wild and wooly ATM list
 that we cherish is one thing. You are proposing to support anyone to 
publish
on Utube what may be accepted by the unsuspecting newbie as accurate
information at waste of expense and time. I commend you for your thought
and effort to provide a new format for our beloved field. I write this 
before
reading your Utube post, but I presume you were confident in the depth of
your skills before posting an ATM tutorial on Utube. Many of us are aware
of the many errors in print by struggling amateurs and some professionals.
Authors credentials do not certify the accuracy of publication, nor have any
standing in science and engineering..

In the spirit of the science underlying ATM books I am willing to admit that
I may be unduly concerned. I welcome constructive criticism from my many
friends re this matter on the list.

>From another who shares your love of our common interest.

Bill Kelley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francis J. O'Reilly" <foreilly@verizon.net>
To: "Bill Kelley" <flex@commspeed.net>; "Francis J. O'Reilly"
foreilly@bestweb.net>; "Dominic-Luc Webb" <dlwebb@canit.se>
Cc: <atm@atmlist.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ATM] ATM You Tube Group


> Bill,
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.
>
> My position is that Telescope Making has always been a field with numerous 
> different theories and levels of competence. I'll post anything that comes 
> along and let the rating system of You Tube do the dirty work.
>
> We are fortunate to have such a vehicle available, previous generations of 
> telescope makers did not.
>
> If you have a copy of ATM #3, please read the article by Burch on page 65 
> relating to pinhole size. If you do the math and look at the sudden change 
> of units from English to metric, you'll see what I mean. This is generally 
> considered to be an authoritative publication, but not all articles which 
> were published are correct. Indeed some are simply nutty, but someone who 
> is unfamiliar with math might not understand the problem. The ability to 
> engage in civil discourse with others concerning various theories should 
> eb sufficient to weed out the pseudoscience and alchemy from the real 
> science.
>
> Best regards to all.
>
> Francis J. O'Reilly
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Kelley" <flex@commspeed.net>
> To: "Francis J. O'Reilly" <foreilly@bestweb.net>; "Dominic-Luc Webb" 
> <dlwebb@canit.se>
> Cc: <atm@atmlist.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [ATM] ATM You Tube Group
>
>
>> Francis, Domenic, et al.,
>>
>> It would seem to be useful to have a video/lecture site as an
>> adjunct to the ATM list. Domenic is right, evidence based
>> information (not always what you get on ATM list) should be
>> offered, or the ATM You Tube Group will become a serious
>> disservice to the telescope maker.
>> My hopefully valuable 2 cents.
>>
>> (Still bending glass in Arizona-
>> and working on advances in flex mirrors)
>> Bill Kelley
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Francis J. O'Reilly" <foreilly@bestweb.net>
>> To: "Dominic-Luc Webb" <dlwebb@canit.se>
>> Cc: <atm@atmlist.net>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ATM] ATM You Tube Group
>>
>>
>>> Domenic,
>>>
>>> I look forward to your posts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Francis
>> I'll keep this in mind. I think we will need a peer review
>>>> process (I will anyway), and an impact factor. We can guess
>>>> the impact factor would be a bit low, but I notice that
>>>> youtube citations are quite high. Since academia now rates
>>>> us by the ratio of impact factor divided by citations, well....
>>>> you get my point.... impossible dream, I know....
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, breaking these up in segments is not actually bad.
>>>> It has a natural tendency to lend itself well to problem
>>>> based learning. Basically, teach a little, confront the
>>>> audience with a question. Answer comes in next segment.
>>>>
>>>> Dominic
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Francis J. O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dominic,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please post your videos. As you may have gathered, they are limited to
>>>>> ten
>>>>> minutes each  so your lecture may have to be broken into segments, my
>>>>> videos
>>>>> are effectively rather loose lectures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Francis
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Dominic-Luc Webb" <dlwebb@canit.se>
>>>>> To: "Francis J. O'Reilly" <foreilly@verizon.net>
>>>>> Cc: "Vladimir Galogaza" <vladimir.galogaza1@zg.t-com.hr>;
>>>>> <atm@atmlist.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:20 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ATM] ATM You Tube Group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Francis J. O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Vladmir,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I strongly encourage any and all ATM related video. Metrology is an
>>>>> >> area
>>>>> >> that is of special interest. Please post your video.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have at times done a little metrology, if you really mean
>>>>> > metrology (science of weights and measures or of measurement).
>>>>> > I could even think it might be interesting for some of us
>>>>> > who know a little math to have some online lectures.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dominic_______________________________________________
>>> ATM mailing list http://www.atmlist.net/
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ATM mailing list http://www.atmlist.net/
>
> 

_______________________________________________
ATM mailing list http://www.atmlist.net/