Re: [ATM] PLOP's usefullness.

[Dale Eason <atmpob@yahoo.com>]

Matt,
You blew it.  He said 9 blobs not 15.  Obviously 15
would not work it is not a simple number like 9.  Nine
is simple because it is the square of 3 and you don't
need all of two hands to count to it :)

Dale
--- matt <mariusrf@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Art,
> Whatever you're smoking works good . Don't give it
> up, because you could
> write a book when you're in this state .
> What on Earth has buck Fuller got to do (or E=mc2
> for that matter) with your
> theoretical idea of what is economically good or not
> for ATM's.
> If you honestly believe , based on whatever logic is
> left in you, or rather
> based on your own thought processes that you may
> believe to be logical, that
> 15 "plops" of silicone on the back of a mirror are
> going to hold it without
> introducing larger distortions than a whiffle tree
> cell, then JUST DO IT .
> Talk is cheap.
> Set up your mirror with the 15 dabs of silicone ,
> test it with a few
> different methods, take some pics, post them on a
> website, and show the
> whole damn stupid rest of the world who is so
> stubborn to use FEA and
> complex arrangements . Until then, please at least
> try to follow your
> medication schedule and post at least a half hour
> after you take your pills.
> 
> 
> best regards,
> matt tudor
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: artbianconi@blast.net <artbianconi@blast.net>
> To: atm@atmlist.net <atm@atmlist.net>
> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:08 PM
> Subject: [ATM] PLOP's usefullness.
> 
> 
> >I've spent the last 50 years of my life in the best
> "love affair"
> >anyone could ever want: dancing with discovery,
> exploration
> >and the mindblowingly beautiful and awesome
> excitement of the
> >creative process.
> >
> >Along the way I've come to recognize that
> complexity originates
> >in the observer's mind not in Nature. So too
> contradictions.
> >There are no contradictions in the Universe only in
> our own
> >minds. Reality is amazingly simple if we let go of
> our ego
> >attachments to what we think we know and simply
> embrace mother
> >nature's simplicity.
> >
> >Successful arguments like E=MC squared, are rarely
> the result of
> >responding with complex answers to our antagonist
> but to a
> >simpler one from within. And so with mechanical
> designs. It's
> >egotistically to offer up 18 point cells with
> complex fulcrums
> >when there are far simpler and less costly
> solutions that work
> >better!
> >
> >PLOP may have proven of value when there were no
> other ways for
> >non-scientific minds to deal with the complex
> variables present
> >in the mechanics of cell and mirror interaction or
> Finite Element
> >Analysis. What is ironic is that the simpler
> solutions work
> >better! Some obviously have a lot invested and
> demonstrate an
> >inappropriate attachment to PLOP in spite of the
> fact that it is
> >an answer based on crippling assumptions in an
> attempt to make it
> >useful to non-FEA people. Ironically, it's
> "solutions" are based
> >on arguments for one condition of tens of thousands
> that the cell
> >must deal with. In other words, it's like arguing
> that the broken
> >clock is still correct twice a day!
> >
> >I am not arguing simply on behalf of financial
> economy but
> >structural economy as well. I am going on the basis
> of what
> >nature and others have taught me. Buckminster
> Fuller invented the
> >Geodesic Dome 60 years ago and it continues to be
> the best
> >example of the KISS principle for engineers on how
> to get more
> >done with less. Economy is not just effective and
> more efficient,
> >it's downright  beautiful! If you doubt that, go
> outside and take
> >a look at how nature solves problems!
> >
> >Economy is the basic tool of research scientists,
> engineers and
> >technicians. ATM's would do well to adopt it as
> well. Nine
> >"plops" of silicon between the back of a 15 inch
> mirror and it's
> >cell will be lighter, more effective and less
> costly than
> >anything you could make in a machine shop. And, it
> will work in
> >every attitude without mechanical hold-down clamps
> around the
> >perimeter.
> >
> >Art Bianconi
> >Milford, NJ
> >
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