Re: (ATM) RE: Super planetary

bruce mcmath (jbmcmath@intellinet.com)
Thu, 24 Aug 1995 22:57:04 -0500

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>In his book "Star Testing Astronimical Telescopes" Suiter talks about
>all the imporvements people try to make to a telescope. He reminds us
>the by far the best improvement you can make is to increase the apature.
>Increasing the apature by only a small amount makes more improvement
>than many small, time comsuming, and expensive tweeks.
>
>Dale Easn
>
Ah yes. But it seems that little ploy works only to a point, at least if your goal is resolution. If I am following what I have read repeatedly the atmosphere set a limit on the benefits of aperature. Some say a larger instrument actually performs less well and others say it will just not do better than the smaller instrument the resolution of which is equal to the minimum defraction patern allowed by the defractions in the atmospher on a given night. Assuming the later to be true - the best case for the large instrument - it follows that after one reaches the maximum usable aperature the only thing that will count is which scope operates closest to theoretical perfection as any imperfection will be added on top of the problems inherent in the seeing. On a given night therefore, the person with a quality instrument who's aperature is near or beyond the limit of the available seeing will enjoy an advantage over the observer who either has an instrument smaller than could be used or is seeking to solve his problems only buy the size of the hole in the end of his tube but sacrificing quality and optimum performance in the process.

Againm, if what I read is correct, somewhere in the 10" - 16" area you are running out of room to improve through aperature and the only solution is to maximize the theoretical capacity of the instrument through quality. In short, below 10" the easiest improvement comes from simply making it bigger but at some point after that, quality that allows one to capitalize on the available seeing becomes paramount. The question becomes on how many nights in your area would the seeing be such that say a good 16" would have an advantage over a near perfect 12.5".

Further tube currents can ruin the seeing even on a good night can they not?

Part of my probem is that I have never had access to a reasonably large quality instrument and hence have little personal experiance to go on. I do know that I have briefly looked through a few large aperature instruments (over 20") and always been disappointed though that may have been as much a quality issue as a seeing one.

In this vien I wonder whether CCD images are really the acid test here, as has been suggested? Parker and others are using multiple fractional second exposures, and image manipulation techniques some of which are expressly intended to overcome seeing. I wonder how many images he records to produce one for publication? What is the resolution he is achieving by the way? Is it as good as one sees with the eye through the same instrument, or could see if the instrument performed at an optimum level for its diameter? I don't know the answer but am curious to hear from those that do.

Final question, would the use of velvet to reduce reflections in an open tube design, prolong or worsten the tube currents in an aluminum tube by slowing the equlibrium process?

Thanks for all the input. PS I like frank opinions.

Bruce McMath