Re: [APML] Comments on vans for dark-sky trips

["bert katzung" <katzung1@home.com>]

Thanks, Gene---that is a really useful list of things to think about!
Bert

Bert Katzung
katzung1@home.com
www.astronomy-images.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Horr" <genehorr@texas.net>
To: <astro-photo@seds.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 04 September, 2001 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [APML] Comments on vans for dark-sky trips


> bert katzung wrote:
> >
> > OK, here's a query for you folks who travel to star parties or dark sky
> > sites in vans regularly. I'm interested in what sort of fittings,
storage,
> > etc, works best and even more important, what have you tried that did
NOT
> > work?
>
> Well, I don't recommend a generator unless you need A/C.  3-4 batteries
> should more than last a long weekend, and with solar cells can be
> stretched even longer.
>
> Consider either folding or flip down clots mounted to the side.  You
> want to be able to easily get them out of the way when loading
> equipment as well as easily set them up in the wee mornings.  As
> someone else mentioned a 50# block of ice will last for days.  A
> 50# block & 50+# crushed ice will last as long as a week, even in
> hot weather.
>
> There are several mail order contractor's supply houses that make
> pre-built storage systems to fit in a van.  Consider that for all
> of your fittings, EPs, tools, etc.  For red lighting just paint the
> inside of the light covers red.
>
> Purchase a roll-up sheet of that aluminum-looking radiant barrier
> insulation.  The products works wonders in keeping the heat down
> during the day.  Just lay it over the van and attach with bungee
> cords.  Replace the fixed windows with sliding ones to improve
> air flow.
>
> I am not a big fan on DIY adding cumbustable fixtures (generators,
> stoves, etc).  Better to bring portable models and set them up outside
> of the van.  Even then make sure there is adequate ventilation,
> especially in the winter.  Add a CO and propane sensor inside the
> van even if everything is outside.  If you get a generator consider
> paying more for a diesel model.  Better fuel economy and much higher
> safety.  But at a much higher price....
>
> Consider a small trailer for a generator, batteries, cooler & mount.
> That way you can just unhook it and put it in storage when you are done
> without having to (un)load all of the heavy things each time.  Be sure
> and either bolt everything down or put a locking cover in place.  Also
> consider locking the trailer to your van.  Add an alarm to the van.
> Makes it a little less tempting when stopping at restaurants on the way.
> Add a heavy tint to the windows.  Security and heat prevention.
>
> Someone else mentioned 4WD.  I'm mixed on this, having had a 4WD pickup
> until recently.  The few times that I _needed_ 4WD a winch on front would
> have worked just as well.  I now don't think that the 1/3 loss of power
> and fuel economy is worth it.  But if you _really_ want it figure about
> US$8,000 for an aftermarket conversion.  If you get a winch be sure and
> also carry an anchor.  There isn't always a tree/rock handy.
>
> As someone else mentioned a van is IMO a far better choice than a
> pickup.  I've tried both and vans are the clear winner.  You can
> always get a trailer for carrying large objects for under $1,000.
>
> If your wife is coming along consider spending the money and adding
> a head.  Women don't like going behind the bushes for some reason <g>.
> I would also serious consider adding a sink and/or outside shower.
> Minimal cost and it will take little room.  You can put the water
> tank and pump under one of the forward seats or on the roof for that
> matter.  Just make sure you add a convienient drain.
>
> Add exterior 12V connections for your equipment!
>
> Visit a local RV supplier and pick up some catalogs.  You'll be amazed
> at what is available.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Gene Horr
> genehorr@texas.net



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