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RE: [APML]OT-Drift Alignment



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Dwight,
 
Thanks for sharing your drift alignment experience with me.  It definitely gives me a much better feel as to the quality of alignment required and the amount of work required to make it happen.  I don't have an observatory or even a permanent site, so I'll better get good at drift alignment!
 
Regards,
 
Serge Theberge
Toronto Centre
RASC
-----Original Message-----
From: astro-photo-bounces@seds.org [mailto:astro-photo-bounces@seds.org] On Behalf Of DBogan3220@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:25 AM
To: astro-photo@seds.org
Subject: Re: [APML]OT-Drift Alignment

      I maybe have should have said something about total setup times because it does not take all night long to do this. I have completely drift aligned my 900 goto with in 1 hr and 10 minutes of a complete setup in other words I'm not starting my drift alignment after I my mount is setup I start the clock when I drop the tailgate of my truck and begin unloading and assembling my equipment. Another detail I don't wait 15 minutes to detect movement, when you are off at 300x you'll detect movement easily within a minute of guiding. Mind now that I initially use a polar scope to align the mount. But the polarscope are not good enough for photography they are only good enough for getting you into the ballpark so you can get you drift align going. I will a lot of the time get my drift align going then go visit my neighbors see what they are doing and then go back and make adjustments typically two or three adjustments are all that is needed for the azimuth using the star in the South routine and then I go to the star in the East and make adjustments to the altitude. A lot of the time if I'm careful about leveling the pier I don't need to make adjustment to the altitude and I'm good to go. When I do the go visit the neighbors I'm drift aligned in about 2 hrs and that is starting from dropping the tailgate of the truck. As far as a formula is concerned if you going to go to the trouble of drift alignment you might as well go all the way otherwise if all your doing is piggy back and as long as you stay with 50mm lens then you are probably OK once you get to 200mm and longer lenses then you will start detecting movement. It may not be apparent to eye viewing the negative or slide put putting it under a magnifier or microscope you will see that trailing in as little as 15 minutes exposure.
 
     Last I should mention you probably are not going to get your mount drift align in the kind of times I get mine accomplished. I'm somewhat practiced at it right now I know the characteristics of my setup I know that my initial guide star is going to drift down in my guiding eyepiece and that I'll have to made adjustment accordingly furthermore I also know that I might have to make adjustments to my altitude and that those adjustments are going to be minor or none at all. Last even when I'm not doing photography I'll do a drift alignment just for the practice I even did a drift alignment during a public star party with my AP 10 inch Maksutov and this was starting with a daytime alignment just using six inch level and the moon and Jupiter!
 
      Clear Skies
      Dwight L Bogan
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/25/2003 7:46:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, serge.theberge@wti.on.ca writes:
Hi Dwight,

Thanks for the reference to Scot Tuckers web site and for qualifying the
extent to which you drift align your mount.

I noticed that Scot Tuckers cites 5 minutes with no drift as being good
enough, while you use 10-15 minutes @ 300X with no drift.  I suspect that
depending on what kind of photo exposure and magnification you use, that 5
minutes is sometimes "good enough" and some other (much more infrequent)
times 15 minutes might not be "good enough".  This is why I am looking for
some kind of formula or rule of thumb that would define maximum polar
alignment error tolerance vs. exposure time, magnification, etc.

Serge Theberge
Toronto Centre
RASC
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