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Re: [APML] Kodak reply regarding RG and Supra films
Kodak seems to want to keep us guessing about what they are doing (or maybe
they don't know either!) I just checked their web site, and the Supra data
sheets were referenced as of Oct 25, 2002 with no indication that there are
any changes or plans to stop production. When PPF and PJ were discontinued,
the data sheets were revised to reference the film they recommended as a
replacement (Portra replaced PPF and Supra replaced PJ). They even
announced the changes that have occurred in Royal Gold films. Their
announcements on the data sheets have usually been a couple months before it
happened.
I think we have to read the announcement Alan got from Kodak as yet to
happen. I suppose there's a slim chance that Kodak changed their minds
about canceling Supra. I have a supply in my fridge just in case.
Don
From: "Alan Voetsch" <critter12952@yahoo.com>
> Hi George,
>
> I'm forwarding this reply from Kodak I got in Sept.
> Supra is discontinued and RG 200&400 will be
> re-formulated. Anyway, I'll let you read it for
> yourself.
>
> Alan
>
> --- Kodak US <HomeConsumerUS@cyber.kodak.com> wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:01:59 -0400
> > To: Alan Voetsch <critter12952@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Film (KMM2510884C0KM)
> > From: Kodak US <HomeConsumerUS@cyber.kodak.com>
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > Yes, the Kodak Royal Gold 200 and 400 are being
> > changed spectrally, and
> > unfortunately with a reduction in the red
> > sensitivity. Kodak
> > Professional Supra Films are now discontinued and
> > will be available only
> > as long as the dealers have stock. I am sorry to
> > say that once this
> > happens, we will not have a color negative film with
> > the extended
> > red-sensitivity found to be useful in
> > astrophotography applications.
> > The vast majority of our customers have asked for
> > color negative films
> > which offer improved color accuracy, especially with
> > respect to
> > skin-tone reproduction, blues and purples, and that
> > is the direction
> > that we have gone with our current film offerings.
> > However, if you can
> > utilize a color slide film, we do offer Kodak
> > Ektachrome Professional
> > E200 Film. This very fine grain, color transparency
> > film offers a
> > sensitivity very similar to the discontinued Kodak
> > Pro 400 (PPF) Film.
> > Additionally, it may be exposed to an exposure index
> > (EI) of up to EI
> > 1000, while retaining its color accuracy,
> > reciprocity, and fine grain
> > characteristics.
> >
> > We hope that you will be able to utilize the
> > suggested alternative for
> > your application and appreciate your contacting us
> > with your concerns.
> >
> > Thank you for visiting the Kodak web site
> >
> > http://www.kodak.com/go/professional
> >
> > If you should have any questions on Kodak products
> > or services, please
> > be sure to revisit our site as we are continually
> > adding information to
> > enhance our support. If you need further assistance
> > you may also reach
> > us at 1-800-242-2424 ext. 19 (Monday-Friday,
> > 9am-7pm EST)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter V.
> > Kodak Information and Technical Support
> > Kodak Professional
> >
> > Original message follows:
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Hello Dale,
> >
> > We're aware that Kodak will continue to provide the
> > 200 & 400 versions of Royal Gold. The problem is
> > that
> > Kodak is changing the emulsion in these films. Both
> > films will be a lot less responsive to the color red
> > during long exposures. Red is a common color in many
> > types of Nebula we photograph.
> >
> > Currently, the three best off-the-shelf color films
> > available to us are: Royal Gold 200 (does need to be
> > hyper-sensitized), Royal Gold 400, and Supra 400. We
> > constanly have people testing all films for
> > reciprocity failure, color balance, color response
> > and
> > response to hypering techniques. Apparently all
> > three
> > of these films will be changed (already happened to
> > the R.G. line), or discontinued (Supra). Is this
> > true?
> > Can you give me any idea how long the current crop
> > of
> > Supra 400 will continue to be available through
> > retailers?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alan Voetsch
> >
> > > We have received your email about the availability
> > > of KODAK ROYAL GOLD
> > > Films and KODAK SUPRA Films, and we appreciate the
> > > opportunity to
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > As you are aware, Eastman Kodak Company is
> > currently
> > > evaluating the
> > > performance of each product in our portfolio.
> > This
> > > evaluation includes
> > > measuring each item's sales performance to see if
> > > consumers are
> > > purchasing it. When a particular film is not
> > being
> > > purchased by
> > > consumers with great enough frequency, it becomes
> > > difficult to find
> > > retailers who are willing to carry it. This,
> > > unfortunately, is the case
> > > with KODAK ROYAL GOLD 25 Film and KODAK ROYAL GOLD
> > > 100 Film and why the
> > > decision was made to discontinue their
> > manufacture.
> > > However, KODAK
> > > ROYAL GOLD 200 Film and KODAK ROYAL GOLD 400 Film
> > > will continue in our
> > > product line.
> > >
> > > Kodak has no plans at this time to offer a
> > specific
> > > replacement product
> > > for these items. We would, however, suggest the
> > use
> > > of KODAK
> > > PROFESSIONAL PORTRA 160NC Film or KODAK
> > PROFESSIONAL
> > > PORTRA 160VC Film
> > > as an alternative for the lower speeds. (NC
> > stands
> > > for "neutral color,"
> > > and VC stands for "vivid color.") These films
> > will
> > > provide the same
> > > good color saturation with only a slight increase
> > in
> > > grain. They would
> > > be available through camera specialty stores in
> > your
> > > area catering to
> > > advanced amateur or professional photographers.
> > You
> > > can obtain
> > > technical information on PORTRA Films by pointing
> > > your browser to the
> > > following URL:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://kin.kodak.com/kicnet/KINProd.nsf/mainnav/kinsearch.html
> > >
> > > (Please Note: Web addresses must be input EXACTLY
> > > and in their ENTIRETY
> > > in order to supply the requested page.)
> > >
> > > We are sorry that you are displeased with the
> > > changes to our product
> > > line. Kodak prides itself on being a highly
> > > quality-conscious company,
> > > and your feedback is important. Please be assured
> > > that I am forwarding
> > > your comments to the appropriate groups.
> > >
> > > Thank you for visiting the Kodak website. If you
> > > should have future
> > > questions on Kodak products or services, please be
> > > sure to revisit our
> > > site as we are continually adding information to
> > > enhance our service.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Dale P
> > > Kodak Information and Technical Support
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Original message follows:
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> > > Question: Hello,
> > >
> > > Recently Kodak has changed the emulsions of the
> > > Royal Gold line of films. Apparently the Supra
> > > line will also follow suit.
> > >
> > > I am a memeer of the AstroPhotograhy Mailing
> > > List (APML). We are a loosely tied group with
> > > members all over the world. We share film info,
> > > techniques, and offer equipment advice to all
> > > who need it. Many of us are concerned with your
> > > recent changes, as Royal Gold 200, RG 400 and
> > > Supra 400 were among the best films in the world
> > > for astrophotography. Personally, I've been
> > > using Supra 400 for about 2 years. The loss of
> > > these films is going to be a great loss for us.
> > > We would like to encourage you to continue to
> > > make available a film that has similar sprectal
> > > characteristics of either of the above mentioned
> > > films.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time,
> > > Alan Voetsch
> > >
> > > Category: HomeConsumer
> > > Subcategory: Film
> > > Referer:
> > > readableSubject: Film
> > > Name: Alan Voetsch
> > > Email: critter12952@yahoo.com
> > > Country: US
> > > Phone: 541-899-3945
> > > Address 1: 225 Anna Laura Dr.
> > > Address 2:
> > > City: Jacksonville
> > > State: OR
> > > Zip/Postal Code: 97530
> > > conf:
> > > /global/include/en/service/contact/contact.conf
> > >
> >
> >
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