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Re: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200



Thanks everyone who responded.  I especially find this and Bobby's responses to be interesting.  I appreciate the links.  I have read through Phillip Perkins' articles (loved the GEG article!), but not Jim Janusz's.  I will read through it carefully. 
 
I am embarrased to admit, I don't know what the settings (C1 and C2) were/are.  I also don't know what the agressiveness settings and calibration times were.  I use the default setting unless I read somewhere in an article that something would help.  (yea, I know- RTFM).  As I said, I am new to actually digging into the ST-4.  I started with a 201XT, which had one button and not a lot of settings.  I messed with the B setting, but that's about it.  I have done nothing with the SA or any other setting.
 
Here's a little better description of what I have going on...
 
10" LX-200, Lumicon GEG (tried in f/10 and f/6.5 modes, which neither affect the ST4), using the ST4 in off-axis.  Not that it matters much, but on the back of the GEG hangs a Nikon F2.  I know the docs say to try straight through, but I assumed I wouldn't have a problem if I was seing a somewhat crisp dot for a guide star on the laptop monitor.  When I do a find/focus, I get what I believe to be a decent focus (confirmed with the laptop/CCD Track util).  (While I'm thinking of it, the CCD program asks for these settings:  Focal length (got that one figured out), aperture (in in^2), and response factor.  Anyone know what the aperture and response factor should be set to?  Yes, I'm an idiot with math.  When I try to do the drive calibration, it appears like it's working- goes off into different directions, but normally comes back to the center, or closet to it.  It's mostly when I hit track that things just go nuts.  And it's not like it takes awhile.  If I hit track, the relays start clicking away immediately.  If I stop it 5 seconds after that, and bring up the focus screen (larger than the tracking screen), I'm lucky if the guide star is still in the view.
 
I am strongly considering replacing the relays just in case.  I bought the ST-4 used, but it appears in pristine shape, and responds like it should except for that little problem of not tracking.  I am assuming there may be a short between the buttons and my chair (also known as the ID-ten-T error) more than a problem with the ST-4. 
 
Thanks for the advice so far.  I will read through those articles you suggested, and will look into the relays. 
 
Frank
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200

Hi Frank,
 
You didn't mention your calibration settings (C1 and C2) or the results of running the calibration. And on a long FL scope it's usually a good idea to set the scintillation adjust (SA) to 8 or more to essentially shut that feature off. Have you read APML member Jim Janusz's ST4 article? It's at: http://www.astrocruise.com/st4tips.htm
 
Jim's article is located at several websites, but I refer you to Philip Perkins site because he has an additional article about using the ST4 with a 10" LX200: http://www.astrocruise.com/guide.htm
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200

I've had this ST-4 for a few years, tried to get it to work with my LX-50.  No such luck, and I didn't have the patience then to do much about it.  About a year ago, I got rid of the LX-50 in favor of a 10" LX-200.  Same thing, didn't have much time to play, so I just set it aside.  Now, I finally have the time to try to get to know the thing better, and I'm having a real hard time getting it to work.
 
I hook the ST-4 to my laptop to try to focus it better.  I have it focused in what I believe to be the best focus I can possibly have it in.  On the screen, I see a nice round dot in the x-hairs.  If I move the head outward or inward, it get distorted, so I am fairly confident it's in focus.  I have even verified this with a ronchi focuser. 
 
Now, if I don't do anything, the acuracy of the scope is pretty good.  In fact, the other night, I forgot to hook the CCD cable into the LX-200, and it worked like a champ, thinking I had it working, the guide star barely moved except for some basic turbulence, which corrected by the next cycle.  This got me through a 1-hour exposure of M8.  I then realized what was going on, and connected the ST4 to the LX200, and as soon as I set it to guide, it just goes out of control.  What I mean by that is, on the photo, it looks like a zig-zag line.  If I use the CCDTrack software, I get similar results, only I can actually watch it lose the guide star.  How is it that I can see the thing clear as a bell, yet the guide software and/or the ST4 in standalone mode just act like it has no idea where the star is, and goes off in some random direction? 
 
Again, keep in mind that I am new to the ST-4, and have never really had it work completely.  I know I have good polar alignment, and I am almost positive it's focused as best as possible.  I have tried re-doing the dark frame several times, and I have made sure that the guide star was around 50,50, and the star brightness was between 30 and 60.  I have not really done much with the settings on the ST-4 other than the brightness (b=3), and FL=L (long focal length). 
 
I apologize for those who are members of both MAPUG and APML, as I have posted this message to both lists.  I am just getting frustrated with this thing after two telescopes and several unsuccessful nights of even getting a decent track.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Frank Schwartz