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Re: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200



Hi Bobby,
  Your suggestion of sticking relays is interesting to me. Over the last two nights (once each night) I experienced a problem with my ST-4 receiving an E in RA and driving the star until I press the interrupt button . I can restart the tracking and it runs fine, but by the time I catch it the system as driven the star to far. The first time it happened was 85 minutes into a 120 minute exposure. (I wasn't to happy as I saw my image go down to drain) and last night it was 25 minutes into the exposure.  The tracking before and after the malfunction was good (A1-A4).
  I first suspected moisture in the CCD head but it guide fine after I restart it.
 I was wandering if anyone else has seen this phenomenon.  
 I equipment is a MI-250 mount, Celestron C11 with GEG. I am also using a ST-4 focal reducer.
BTW, Thanks for the relay information.
Joe Schaefer
www.starfillednights.com
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Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200

The best I remember I used 3 or 4 for Calibratrion settings and always used SA=10 with my 10" LX200. I also used FL= S. That doesn't make sense because 2500mm is definately long focal length but FL=S always worked for me.
Another possibility is sticking relays. When I get occassional unexplained tracking errors I'll change relays and that has always stopped the problem. Perhaps your relays are staying stuck all the time. Here's a link to the relays:
Aromat DS2E-M-DC12V ; Digikey Part # 255-1071-ND
I can get you a pic of the inside of the st-4 if needed.
Bobby Middleton
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200

Hi Frank,
 
You didn't mention your calibration settings (C1 and C2) or the results of running the calibration. And on a long FL scope it's usually a good idea to set the scintillation adjust (SA) to 8 or more to essentially shut that feature off. Have you read APML member Jim Janusz's ST4 article? It's at: http://www.astrocruise.com/st4tips.htm
 
Jim's article is located at several websites, but I refer you to Philip Perkins site because he has an additional article about using the ST4 with a 10" LX200: http://www.astrocruise.com/guide.htm
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: [APML] Trouble with ST-4 & LX-200

I've had this ST-4 for a few years, tried to get it to work with my LX-50.  No such luck, and I didn't have the patience then to do much about it.  About a year ago, I got rid of the LX-50 in favor of a 10" LX-200.  Same thing, didn't have much time to play, so I just set it aside.  Now, I finally have the time to try to get to know the thing better, and I'm having a real hard time getting it to work.
 
I hook the ST-4 to my laptop to try to focus it better.  I have it focused in what I believe to be the best focus I can possibly have it in.  On the screen, I see a nice round dot in the x-hairs.  If I move the head outward or inward, it get distorted, so I am fairly confident it's in focus.  I have even verified this with a ronchi focuser. 
 
Now, if I don't do anything, the acuracy of the scope is pretty good.  In fact, the other night, I forgot to hook the CCD cable into the LX-200, and it worked like a champ, thinking I had it working, the guide star barely moved except for some basic turbulence, which corrected by the next cycle.  This got me through a 1-hour exposure of M8.  I then realized what was going on, and connected the ST4 to the LX200, and as soon as I set it to guide, it just goes out of control.  What I mean by that is, on the photo, it looks like a zig-zag line.  If I use the CCDTrack software, I get similar results, only I can actually watch it lose the guide star.  How is it that I can see the thing clear as a bell, yet the guide software and/or the ST4 in standalone mode just act like it has no idea where the star is, and goes off in some random direction? 
 
Again, keep in mind that I am new to the ST-4, and have never really had it work completely.  I know I have good polar alignment, and I am almost positive it's focused as best as possible.  I have tried re-doing the dark frame several times, and I have made sure that the guide star was around 50,50, and the star brightness was between 30 and 60.  I have not really done much with the settings on the ST-4 other than the brightness (b=3), and FL=L (long focal length). 
 
I apologize for those who are members of both MAPUG and APML, as I have posted this message to both lists.  I am just getting frustrated with this thing after two telescopes and several unsuccessful nights of even getting a decent track.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Frank Schwartz