Re: [APML] Skill [was: Foveon Chip]

["Chris & Jennifer Cook" <ccjd@ix.netcom.com>]

Matt -
Why did you go off on this skill thing?  I never mentioned skills.  Talent
and skill are two different things.

Chris


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Chris Cook
Astronomical Photography
www.abmedia.com/astro


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt BenDaniel <matt@starmatt.com>
To: astro-photo@seds.org <astro-photo@seds.org>; Chris Cook
<ccjd@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: [APML] Skill [was: Foveon Chip]


>Chris,
>
>I think anyone who claims they "can't create beautiful astrophotos
>without big $" is making excuses for lack of motivation and talent.
>
>There are quite a number of astrophotographers on the APML who do
>excellent work on limited budgets (and with hard work and skill).
>Wonderfully beautiful wide field astro pix can be made for cheap:
>unguided piggyback, with a barn door, and on a tripod.  The guys with
>$30K CCD systems can't do that.  And there's quite a few rich guys who
>blow big $ on equipment and generate only mediocre pix.
>
>The skills needed for astrophotography have been continually changing.
>When gas-hypering became popular that was a new skill.  Running an
>autoguider requires skill, and scanning, digital image processing, and
>yes, even CCD image capture and calibration all require skills.  And the
>internet has accelerated the pace of everything.  Excelling at any
>endeavor always requires learning new skills.
>
>So clicking a mouse is too easy to be bothered with?  Why have so few
>astrophotographers mastered Picture Window or Photoshop LE?  What does
>that have to do with money?
>
>If anyone feels their imagery is outgunned by big $, they need to stop
>feeling sorry for themselves and start focusing on doing the best they
>can with the equipment they can afford (or borrow).  Learn new skills.
>Work hard.  With talent and a bit of luck, you create beautiful art.
>
>Matt
>
>Chris & Jennifer Cook wrote:
>>
>> Steven -
>>
>> I agree.  While I am happy for the folks who can fork over the $30,000
for
>> top rate imaging equipment(if I had it, I would too),  astrophotography
is
>> rapidly becoming a hobby of haves and have nots.  It is also a hobby
where
>> actual photographic talent is becoming less and less important.  Back in
the
>> old days, you actually had to have a talent in the darkroom to produce a
>> gallery quality print.  You know, dodging and burning a image with your
own
>> hands..... not clicking a mouse or reading a image processing article on
the
>> web...........
>> Today there is very little talent involved.  Spend $30K, buy a computer,
>> load the necessary software, read some articles out on the web and bingo,
>> you can produce observatory quality images from your backyard.  There is
no
>> talent here folks!
>> BTW, don't bother with the flames............ <g>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ==================
>> Chris Cook
>> Astronomical Photography
>> www.abmedia.com/astro
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stephen pitt <lthuedk@pe.net>
>> To: astro-photo@seds.org <astro-photo@seds.org>
>> Date: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [APML] Foveon Chip
>>
>> >This technology would eliminate the filter wheel nonsense and make CCD
>> >affordable through competition with the company that has a stranglehold
on
>> chip
>> >prices.  Lets face it, there's a large number of gifted APML
emulsioneers
>> who
>> >could take CCD imaging much farther than it has been taken if the
interest
>> >wasn't so exclusive.  It is frustrating to be in a holding pattern,
>> watching
>> >only the affluent at play with equipment of outrageous cost-only to be
told
>> we
>> >can have it all from the suburbs.  Duh.
>> >
>> >We need a shot of competition in this "hobby," otherwise, it aint.
Stephen
>> >Pitt
>> >
>> >Chris & Jennifer Cook wrote:
>> >
>> >> This looks to be a real turning point in digital imaging.  I'm hoping
the
>> >> big camera manufacturers start using the chips.  I wonder if Foveon
has a
>> 5
>> >> mega-pixel chip planned.  I only saw that it went up to 3 mega-pixel.
>> >>
>> >> As far as applying it to deep sky imaging, I wonder if a chip like
this
>> >> would work given is has good QE and blue sensitivity....... thoughts
from
>> >> the CCD experts?
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> ==================
>> >> Chris Cook
>> >> Astronomical Photography
>> >> www.abmedia.com/astro
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: stephen pitt <lthuedk@pe.net>
>> >> To: astro-photo@seds.org <astro-photo@seds.org>
>> >> Date: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:25 AM
>> >> Subject: [APML] Foveon Chip
>> >>
>> >> >Current CCD chip architecture appears primative compared to this:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02021101foveonx3.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Kodak's market supression is about to take a hit-unless of course,
they
>> >> >buy out Foveon.  sp
>> >> >
>> >> >
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