Re: [APML] OT: digital vs film

["Phillip Jones" <starfest@comcast.net>]

Wow...since I use a CCD camera as an autoguider for my film imaging, I am
trapped...apparently I don't qualify for either list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Edin" <howard@howardedin.com>
To: "Discussion of Film Astrophotography" <astro-photo@seds.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [APML] OT: digital vs film


> Tony Hallas wrote:
>
> >     I think it's more involved than a new car / old car analogy ... it's
> > more like the old car is morphing somewhat into the new car ... this is
> > an active list with some progressive members, not a museum dedicated
> > solely to the past. Some of the members have experimented with new
> > technologies and have found that there is a place for them ... I love
> > museums, I just wouldn't want to end up as one of the artifacts on
> > display ... not yet ... maybe someday ...
> >
>
> By your answer I can only guess that you fail to understand Jerry's
> post. Perhaps you have never attended a gathering of old cars buffs?
>
> When I'm not working or star gazing I like to tear up the pavement on my
>    R1. Do you think I hang out with or discuss motorcycles with a group
> of Harley riders?? Ahh, no.
>
> Let me give you another analogy:
>
> There are some artists who still create portraits with that ancient
> medium of brush, oil and canvas. This is an aesthetic and personal
> choice. Yet today nearly all portraits are done with cameras (film or
> digital). When these artists get together they discuss the brushes,
> paints or canvas materials used. The art of blending various textures.
> The type of oils used. Certainly these people know there are other
> mediums but choose to use paint and want to talk about paint.
>
> This is a mailing list primarily made up of artists / photographers that
> use film as their medium of capturing information. That is the purpose
> of the list.
>
> For those that want to delve into the technical aspects of CCD I suggest
> the CCD mailing list. This is accessed by sending a message to:
>
> to: <majordomo@listserv.wwa.com>
> in the message body: subscribe ccd
>
> You even have the same moderator over there (Gene!). There are plenty of
> excellent, long time CCD folks on that list who are very knowledgeable.
> You will find Robert Gendler posts everything on that list that he does
> here. And it is a more appropriate place to discuss the subject. Plenty
> of folks will argue / discuss the merits of flat fielding, darks, etc.
>
> As mentioned several times the Canon camera's are discussed at length on
> the Digital_Astro group:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_astro/
>
> This is a pretty active group. As Jerry mentioned there are plenty of
> places just for CCD. I think we all know about the Yahoo SBIG group.
> There is even the Yahoo ST-237 group:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ST-237/
>
> I frequent all these groups and more. HOWEVER, this is the only mailing
> list for film that I know of.
>
> As people move into other methods of acquiring images they should move
> onto other social groups dedicated to those methods. What is so hard to
> understand about this? I am not on this mailing list to hear your
> evolution into CCD. Do you understand that?
>
> The community that each mailing list has is built around the subject
> matter. Not the people that frequent the list. This seems to be a
> problem with some folks here. They want the same group of people to talk
> with. This appears to be the reason this subject comes up and will not
> go away.
>
> I don't want the APML to be a CCD list. When I move to another
> technology and technique for imaging, discarding film (or it is gone), I
> will move off the APML. After all, this is where people get together and
> discuss film.
>
> I've been on this list for four years and I'm tired of the constant
> attempt to refocus it. I will not let this matter rest. I do not want
> people trying to shove the new square block into a round hole. There are
> many others that feel this way but rarely if ever speak up.  Time and
> time again Gene has indicated the majority opinion is to stay focused on
> film.
>
> If the mailing list's charter is to be changed then I suggest that be
> done, the group renamed and the APML be put to rest. Then, as in a
> museum, you can walk by and look at the APML as a place in time.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Howard Edin
>
>
>
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