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Re: [APML] What me worry? WAS: CCD on APML for really a longtime
John
Very good comments. I have only been on this list for about a year and this
is the 3rd time we have covered this topic. It should be a no brainer that
the posts should relate to film and image processing. As long as we keep to
that I'm happy. There is just too much unrelated posts I have to get through
to get to the info I need.
Thanks
Larry McManus
on 8/6/03 9:59 PM, John C. Mirtle at spampit@shaw.ca wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bert Katzung" <katzung1@comcast.net>
>
> One of the reasons that a lot of us haven't chimed in is that we went
> through this very same discussion 1 year ago, AND 2 years ago, AND 3 years
> ago, etc (or something like that). I'm tired of it. I like to discuss film
>
> - - - - - - - - -
>
> Right on Bert,
> I had started writing a response to this, but it ended up being enough
> material for a TV mini-series! In short.....
> The last stats I saw put computer ownership at just under 50% in North
> America. Further to this, 90% of the world's population hasn't even made a
> phone call! We perceive technology usage to be much higher than it really is
> as we use it daily. (without it, you wouldn't be on this list!) Of the
> people I know who own a computer, few of them have fully and exclusively
> embraced digital daytime photography. There are regional variations to this
> for sure, as computer ownership I know to be much higher than the national
> average in my home town. In reality, the film market is still huge, and is
> likely to be so for a long time to come.
> Because of this, I think that Gene's original charter for the APML is
> still valid and there is no reason to change it. I am not terribly upset by
> the odd CCD post - PROVIDED that there is some relevance to this list. (this
> includes image processing) There are plenty of places one can go to for CCD
> image posts, atta boy follow ups and the inevitable "willy waving". It is
> unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio is so bad on these lists but this
> is the only one for film, and about the only one where you can talk about
> your Schmidt without someone trying to crack a joke....
> What I really appreciate on this list is what I call the "council of
> elders". Those old f*rts among us who remember painting their emulsions with
> silver halides in a dark room, held dry ice between their teeth, considered
> a 10 hour exposure a "quickie", or even aligned stacks of real negatives BY
> HAND!! I consider myself one of the new generation of AP'ers, having only 17
> 1/2 years of experience. My years of guiding are dwarfed by Robert R, Marty
> G, Chuck V, Tony and many others on this list. I think that we need to take
> a core sample and count the rings to find out how long Chris Schur has been
> shooting the sky! I still have much to learn, and hope that I can still
> contribute what knowledge I have gleaned over the years. This list is a HUGE
> resource for film astrophotography, but that resource is it's membership.
> Without it's members, it's just a piece of software on a server somewhere. I
> hope we don't lose any more over this latest spat.
> There are still so many things I want to try with film before switching
> over to CCD. Just finishing my list of Schmidt camera targets will take
> about another 10 years! As long as good astro film remains on the market,
> there is no need to change the focus of this mailing list. There are plenty
> of CCD lists for those who want them, and perhaps the APML equivalent of CCD
> lists hasn't been formed yet. My techniques and equipment are optimized for
> film AP, and I hope to continue sharing my results with others on this list
> for many more years to come. I also hope that Tony and Rob continue the
> occasional relevant posting, to remind us of what is possible on the purely
> digital side of things. :-)
>
> John Mirtle
> Calgary, Ab. Canada
> http://members.shaw.ca/jmirtle
>
> (also on the SBIG and ST-237 mailing lists, quietly lurking...)
>
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