Re: [APML] This list is for the discussion of Film Astrophotography.

["Brian Larmay" <astrobri@ameritech.net>]

My Photography
Homepage: www.astrobri.com

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> Brian, thank you.  I think you truly put things in perspective.  I would
> focus on the "Discussion" as the keyword.  I love to see a good CCD
> image and would not have a problem with "OT: New CCD Image Posted" but
> the thread should probably stop there.  Discussion of techniques used
> and even kudos should probably be handled off list.

Yes, all comments to the subject should go directly to the poster instead of
the group, although I am guilty of posting responses on list.
Just out of curiosity, I did a search in the archives with the subject line
of ccd vs film and came up with an increasing # of posts each year.
Wow...dating all the way back to 96 and 97 being the lowest in #.


> I love film and if I had the money would rather move up to a Hasselblad
> before I would an ST-10.  Kinda hard to take landscapes with an SBIG.
> Another issue is how to continue the legacy of astrophotography into
> future generations.  Start telling newbies the only entry point is with
> a used CCD camera and the required mount precision and we probably will
> be the last of a dying breed.  I started a fellow club member by lending
> him an old,beat up SLR so he could use his tripod for some star trail
> shots.  He finished his last roll by piggy backing some nice wide field
> shots on another member's scope.  Talk about a great start and low cost!

I really dont remember how I found apml, I think it was a link on someones
website, but I was informed that I should start with a barndoor mount.
Those were the good ole days..hard work and great intensions for a
newbie..the feeling was crisp and honest to getting the most out of learning
the limits of that thing.

I remember aching for huge aperature and long focal length, but those were
far out of my budget...still are.

I still have some of my old pictures taken with the barndoor and am proud to
say those were some of my best nights out in the field.
There is nothing that can beat the excitement that a newbie feels.

Ive gotta get it out again and try it sometime

I also remember seeing a post on someones website saying that ccd was the
only feasable way to start astrophotography and film was too expensive.
Lol...thats enough to discourage the pope!
What is wrong with people wanting to shoo film under the rug?


> I think film is long way from being dead and would hate to see the
> current gurus take leave because of the loss of a "dedicated" film
> astrophotography group.  I have learned a lot from the group.

You are right...I seen a survey today on whether film would be taken out of
the market entirely to make way for digital cameras and the likes and so
far, the votes are a thousand to a hundred that film will stand the test of
time with the current count being somewhere around 5000 something.

This is a good thing because those votes are more then likely those who use
film and they demand it which in turn makes a market value.


Brian



> Thom Iwancio
> Elgin, SC
>
> Ps. I think if we all had a little better weather this whole thread
> would disappear (until next year)  <grin>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: astro-photo-bounces@seds.org [mailto:astro-photo-bounces@seds.org]
> On Behalf Of Brian Larmay
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Film Astrophotography
> Subject: [APML] This list is for the discussion of Film
> Astrophotography.
>
> This list is for the discussion of Film Astrophotography. The list is
> limited to film photography only. Discussion of CCD cameras should be
> limited to autoguiding only.
>
> Please feel free to contribute to this list regardless of your
> experience
> level. We hope that this list will allow us all to exchange ideas and
> experiences, so that we all might better enjoy this fascinating hobby.
>
> KEEP THIS INFORMATION STORED ON YOUR COMPUTER FOR AS LONG AS YOU ARE A
> MEMBER OF THE APML
>
> <snip>
>
> There they are...the rules...easy enough to understand....
>
> When I joined this list a few years ago, I knew full well by reading the
> guidelines that this was a film based group... and still is!
> This is what it should stay.
> There should not be a vote, because this is a discussion of film
> astrophotography.
>
> There are a great # of ccd groups out there versus film astro groups.
> Why taint it?
>
> This is really frustrating to see this happening.
>
> CCD'rs are guests here that have gotten too comfortable and seem to be
> wanting to now take a sort of contol on things?
>
> My aim and hearts hope is to PRESERVE an astro FILM group until film is
> dead
> one day MAYBE being the keyword.
>
> Cmon...leave the original film group alone and dont try to change it.
> There are many of us here who have been here a long time as well that
> just
> wants to have a place to call home...why attack apml?
> This is our home for the discussion of film related astrophotography.
>
> If there should be any voting, it should be for the title of this group
> to
> add film to one of the letters of apml.
>
> I am glad this resource is still here and hasnt faded yet.
> It would be too hard with the over bombardment to weed out a film guy
> over a
> ccd guy on any other given group.
> If things continue down this course with allowing more tolerance for
> ccd,
> things could get blurry is my fear.
> Ive been here long enough to know the names and the charector of this
> group,
> but newbies (the next gen), will allow even more and thus allow this
> group
> to fade faster then film.
>
> Ok...
>
> With all that said, I do enjoy ccd images...almost moreso then film..
> I have commented on various ccd posts exhorting the efforts of the fine
> skills they posess,(Rob Gendler can testify to that), but in the back of
> my
> mind has always been the silent sigh of that it doesnt belong here.
> Im torn somewhat because I do enjoy them, I just know the rules and
> where
> they apply.
> I am patient and understanding and this is why I probably dont say much
> on
> the topic.
>
> I just prefer this group to stay film based as it was intended in the
> rules.
>
> There should be no bickering about this simple thing.
>
> Brian
>
> My Photography
> Homepage: www.astrobri.com
>
>
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